But I am too stupid to be convinced by him.
I wish, he said, that you would hear me as well as him, and then I shall see whether you and I agree.

For Thrasymachus seems to me, like a snake, to have been charmed by your voice sooner than he ought to have been; but to my mind the nature of justice and injustice have not yet been made clear.

Setting aside their rewards and results, I want to know what they are in themselves, and how they inwardly work in the soul.

If you, please, then, I will revive the argument of Thrasymachus.

And first I will speak of the nature and origin of justice according to the common view of them.