I knew Chaka as I knew his father, yes, and _his_ father.

Others still living knew him also, say you, Sigananda there for instance," and he pointed to the old chief who had spoken first.

"Yes, Sigananda knew him as a boy knows a great man, as a soldier knows a general.

But I knew his heart, aye, I shaped his heart, I was its thought.

Had it not been for me he would never have been great.