'Take any freedom which you like.' My first observation is, that your lawgiver ordered you to endure hardships, because he thought that those who had not this discipline would run away from those who had.

But he ought to have considered further, that those who had never learned to resist pleasure would be equally at the mercy of those who had, and these are often among the worst of mankind.

Pleasure, like fear, would overcome them and take away their courage and freedom.

'Perhaps; but I must not be hasty in giving my assent.' Next as to temperance: what institutions have you which are adapted to promote temperance?
'There are the common meals and gymnastic exercises.' These are partly good and partly bad, and, as in medicine, what is good at one time and for one person, is bad at another time and for another person.

Now although gymnastics and common meals do good, they are also a cause of evil in civil troubles, and they appear to encourage unnatural love, as has been shown at Miletus, in Boeotia, and at Thurii.